Comments for LDS Recovery http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com Repentance from the inside out Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:17:19 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on About by lori stager http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/about/#comment-3530 lori stager Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:17:19 +0000 #comment-3530 i need help finding aa meetings in draper,utah or riverton,utah ASAP i need help finding aa meetings in draper,utah or riverton,utah ASAP

]]> Comment on Two (or three) LDS versions of the 12 steps by Victor http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3529 Victor Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:49:00 +0000 https://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3529 Can you tell me where I can find a group meeting here in walnut creek California or it's surroundings Can you tell me where I can find a group meeting here in walnut creek California or it’s surroundings

]]> Comment on Request for guest posts by Coder88 http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/request-for-guest-posts/#comment-3526 Coder88 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:59:35 +0000 https://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/request-for-guest-posts/#comment-3526 Nations institutionalize their founding story as a renewable source of guidance and inspiration. , Nations institutionalize their founding story as a renewable source of guidance and inspiration. ,

]]> Comment on The Second Step: Why bother? (My Step 02) by marlonya http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/08/16/the-second-step-why-bother-my-step-02/#comment-3505 marlonya Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:00:06 +0000 https://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/08/16/the-second-step-why-bother-my-step-02/#comment-3505 this is so not good web site this is so not good web site

]]> Comment on The 12 steps and the 5 R’s by Megan Christensen http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/06/30/the-12-steps-and-the-5-r%e2%80%99s/#comment-3443 Megan Christensen Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:15:07 +0000 https://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/06/30/the-12-steps-and-the-5-r%e2%80%99s/#comment-3443 I am LDS who is addicted to narcotics. I am LDS who is addicted to narcotics.

]]> Comment on Two (or three) LDS versions of the 12 steps by Mark http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3442 Mark Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:20:10 +0000 https://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3442 I feel as if the LDS 12 Steps as they are currently written are missing a significant spiritual principle. In AA and NA the steps are written in the "we" context and not in the "you" context. That would seem to make this a "we" program instead of an "I" program. "We can do together what I could not do alone....", "I can't, but we can" Why did the brethren feel as if that had to be taken rewritten? It seems to me to be just one more example of how they really do not understand the addict and what it takes to overcome addictions at all. In my area ARP has been a blessing and a curse in my life. It has at least kept me in touch with the church but the participants are so judgemental. There is no anonymity at all. The gossiping has nearly ruined lives. It has been a bad experience for many. There are some sick individuals who are not necessarily addicts--- just sick. I've heard it said that every member "needs" this program. That may well be, but it's not for all of those who need it--- it's for those who "want" it. It is not group therapy or treatment; it is recovery. There is a huge difference and all too often we seem to miss that point. I hope and pray that we can get ARP to the point where it actually works. Until then, thank God for AA and NA. I feel as if the LDS 12 Steps as they are currently written are missing a significant spiritual principle. In AA and NA the steps are written in the “we” context and not in the “you” context. That would seem to make this a “we” program instead of an “I” program. “We can do together what I could not do alone….”, “I can’t, but we can”

Why did the brethren feel as if that had to be taken rewritten? It seems to me to be just one more example of how they really do not understand the addict and what it takes to overcome addictions at all.

In my area ARP has been a blessing and a curse in my life. It has at least kept me in touch with the church but the participants are so judgemental. There is no anonymity at all. The gossiping has nearly ruined lives. It has been a bad experience for many. There are some sick individuals who are not necessarily addicts— just sick.

I’ve heard it said that every member “needs” this program. That may well be, but it’s not for all of those who need it— it’s for those who “want” it. It is not group therapy or treatment; it is recovery. There is a huge difference and all too often we seem to miss that point.

I hope and pray that we can get ARP to the point where it actually works. Until then, thank God for AA and NA.

]]> Comment on Two (or three) LDS versions of the 12 steps by John Anon http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3404 John Anon Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:41:55 +0000 https://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3404 Thanks for your thoughts, sw. For those who care, I plan to start updating this site again in two months. I appreciate your patience. Sorry for the long time dead. I have been dead along with it, but I am alive again. Thanks for your thoughts, sw.

For those who care, I plan to start updating this site again in two months. I appreciate your patience. Sorry for the long time dead. I have been dead along with it, but I am alive again.

]]> Comment on Two (or three) LDS versions of the 12 steps by sw http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3403 sw Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:23:27 +0000 https://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3403 One of my favorte hymns says “Fill our hearts with sweet forgiving; Teach us tolerance and love. ... One of the greatest blessings of going to group is being surrounded by others who live this principle. There are few places like it anywhere. We share, we trust, and in turn we are antrusted with the deepest fears, pains, hopes and desires of others in our group. Meetings are made for that. Church isn't. I have felt for years there is a different quality in people who have gone through 12 steps. Like the gospel, applying the principles makes "bad men good and good men better", but it doesn't happen simply by showing up - you have to do the work. There are lots of members who just "show up" to church. I am not saying that those who have gone through 12 steps are better people, but when they have gone through that experience and have done the work, I do believe that they have an extra measure of tolerence and love. Can't we bring that back to our wards? Can we be tolerent of those who aren't? Like the 12 step groups, not everyone who shows up to church is ready to do the work, but let's not reject them, even if they reject us. Live the higher law. You may find there is someone there who can benefit from things only you can give. There are real blessings in the Gospel and in attending church. Let's not let the actions or attitudes of others deprives us of what is righfully ours. One of my favorte hymns says “Fill our hearts with sweet forgiving; Teach us tolerance and love. …

One of the greatest blessings of going to group is being surrounded by others who live this principle. There are few places like it anywhere. We share, we trust, and in turn we are antrusted with the deepest fears, pains, hopes and desires of others in our group. Meetings are made for that. Church isn’t.

I have felt for years there is a different quality in people who have gone through 12 steps. Like the gospel, applying the principles makes “bad men good and good men better”, but it doesn’t happen simply by showing up – you have to do the work.

There are lots of members who just “show up” to church. I am not saying that those who have gone through 12 steps are better people, but when they have gone through that experience and have done the work, I do believe that they have an extra measure of tolerence and love. Can’t we bring that back to our wards? Can we be tolerent of those who aren’t? Like the 12 step groups, not everyone who shows up to church is ready to do the work, but let’s not reject them, even if they reject us. Live the higher law. You may find there is someone there who can benefit from things only you can give.

There are real blessings in the Gospel and in attending church. Let’s not let the actions or attitudes of others deprives us of what is righfully ours.

]]> Comment on Two (or three) LDS versions of the 12 steps by John Anon http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3394 John Anon Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:25:03 +0000 https://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3394 Diana, I am sorry, but I can't erase your name. The name that goes up is the one you type (or the one you chose for your wordpress account). I can't change it. Diana,
I am sorry, but I can’t erase your name. The name that goes up is the one you type (or the one you chose for your wordpress account). I can’t change it.

]]> Comment on Two (or three) LDS versions of the 12 steps by Diana Holland http://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3222 Diana Holland Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:40:46 +0000 https://ldsrecovery.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/two-or-three-lds-versions-of-the-12-steps/#comment-3222 I didn't realize that my whole name would show up on here. Is there any way you can get it off here. you might want to somehow let others know that the whole name will show up publicly. i have a feeling your just going to say sorry there is nothing we can do aren't you? Hmm, good job I am not that bothered. hate to think what would have happened if i had put more personal info on, as it is I am fine with what i wrote but still would prefer to only have my first name on - we need to always make that clear to people. thanks for the comments - i really believe i have listened to my father in heaven and you might not believe me but i believe there are times we are meant to do waht we are meant to do and not always go to our ward. for instance I have seen people with migraines and with depression and all kinds of things force themselves to go to church because they could not bear to think what others thought of them. I do not see that as listening to spirit. i know a girl who grew up LDS. Her little sister was killed in a terrible accident. her family suffered for many years and it affected their standing in the church, and she is so hurt and messed up that going to church makes her feel worse. i sure would not blame or judge her for not doing. I think church is a great vehicle for life but I find spirit and true love in my heart ultimately and even in nature. that does not mean that we do not need spiritual community and of course we are meant to follow our prophet but seriously isn't there a time when we are meant to follow our own spiritual guidance. More and more I cannot help but feel that love is my religion. amazing church, and amazing concepts but there are times when i need to be with those who will truly love me and support me. I didn’t realize that my whole name would show up on here. Is there any way you can get it off here. you might want to somehow let others know that the whole name will show up publicly. i have a feeling your just going to say sorry there is nothing we can do aren’t you?

Hmm, good job I am not that bothered. hate to think what would have happened if i had put more personal info on, as it is I am fine with what i wrote but still would prefer to only have my first name on – we need to always make that clear to people.
thanks for the comments – i really believe i have listened to my father in heaven and you might not believe me but i believe there are times we are meant to do waht we are meant to do and not always go to our ward. for instance I have seen people with migraines and with depression and all kinds of things force themselves to go to church because they could not bear to think what others thought of them. I do not see that as listening to spirit. i know a girl who grew up LDS. Her little sister was killed in a terrible accident. her family suffered for many years and it affected their standing in the church, and she is so hurt and messed up that going to church makes her feel worse. i sure would not blame or judge her for not doing. I think church is a great vehicle for life but I find spirit and true love in my heart ultimately and even in nature. that does not mean that we do not need spiritual community and of course we are meant to follow our prophet but seriously isn’t there a time when we are meant to follow our own spiritual guidance.
More and more I cannot help but feel that love is my religion. amazing church, and amazing concepts but there are times when i need to be with those who will truly love me and support me.

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